remcojan Posted 22 mei 2009 Report Share Posted 22 mei 2009 In de Intermediair kan je vragen stellen die een paar weken later beantwoord worden door andere lezers. Deze week gaat 1 van de vragen over waar 78, 45 en 33 toeren/minuut vandaan komen? Weet iemand de oorsprong hiervan? Ik kan me voorstellen dat je met 33omw/min meer muziek kwijt kan op hetzelfde oppervlakte maar waarom dan 33 en niet 30 of 25? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buizenbart Posted 22 mei 2009 Report Share Posted 22 mei 2009 Google is je vriend: Like so many things in this world, John, the various record speeds were determined by chance and compromise. The compromise in this case was between playing time and fidelity. The slower a record revolves, the longer it plays and the worse it sounds. Slow speeds are acceptable for spoken-word recordings (many early "talking books" were recorded at 16-2/3 RPM), but not for music, where sound quality is critical. Thomas Edison's first phonographs were hand cranked, which made a single standard speed virtually impossible. The listener cranked the machine at whatever speed "sounded right," which usually worked out to around 80 RPM. That was slow enough to get five minutes of material (then, as now, the average length of a popular song) onto one of Edison's five-inch cylinders, and fast enough to provide what passed in those days for decent fidelity. When Emile Berliner invented the disc record in 1888, he designed it to meet the loose standards of the Edison cylinder--five minutes of playing time at 70 to 80 RPM. Formal standardization--at 78.26 RPM--didn't come until 1925, when the phonograph was married to the electric motor. 78.26 happened to be the speed a common, mass-produced 3600 RPM motor would yield if fitted with an equally common 46:1 gear. Around this same time the original acoustic method of recording was made obsolete by a new, and far superior, electric system. The fidelity possible at 78 RPM could now be had at a much slower speed--33-1/3. But the record manufacturers felt that the fickle public--then deserting the phonograph in favor of a newer novelty, the radio--would be put off by the cost of converting from 78 to 33-1/3. So, through the twenties and thirties, the process was used only in studios and radio stations. In 1931, RCA Victor badly bungled an attempt to put a cheap, imperfect 33-1/3 system on the mass market, and no one tried it again until 1948, when Columbia Records introduced Dr. Peter Goldmark's new "microgroove" system. Columbia shrewdly pitched the new "LPs" to classical musical collectors, pointing out that the longhair listener could now settle back and enjoy an entire movement of a symphony without the annoyance of changing the disc every five minutes. Hoping to set 33-1/3 as the new standard, Columbia offered the process free to any company that cared to use it. But RCA Victor, still licking its corporate wounds after the 1931 debacle, would have none of it. The company insisted on making what looked like another bonehead move: dumping an entirely new system--45 RPM--on the market. Just as Emile Berliner had adapted his disc to meet the standard of the Edison cylinder, RCA had designed the 45 to conform to the 78--it offered the same playing time, somewhat improved fidelity, and the dubious advantage of being more "convenient" because the discs were smaller. In presenting the 45, RCA unloaded some drivel about how 45 RPM was the optimum speed for sound reproduction. But it was revealed that in fact RCA had told its engineers to come up with any old speed so long as it wasn't compatible with Columbia's system. The big hole was apparently supposed to make the two types of records even more incompatible. Thus began the so-called "war of the speeds." Since 45s offered few real advantages over the old 78s, most of the smaller manufacturers opted for the Columbia system. RCA, though, held out for 18 months, during which time industry sales volume dropped 25 percent as consumers waited for the giants to fight it out between themselves. Finally, in 1950, RCA capitulated--sort of. It began making 33-1/3 records using the Columbia system. But it didn't discontinue the 45. Instead, it spent $5 million advertising 45 RPM as the preferred speed for popular music. In reality, of course, the speed didn't make any difference. A 7-inch record was simply more convenient for single tunes than a 12-inch one. Nonetheless, the public allowed itself to be duped, and in 1951 Columbia began making 45s too. Thus we ended with one speed and spindle size for popular songs, and another for symphonies. The 78, mercifully, was out of the picture by 1950. Actually, the whole concept of constant turntable speed had been obsolete since the turn of the century. At a constant turntable speed, the velocity of the grooves moving past the stylus decreases as the record plays--the inner spirals of the track being, of course, much smaller than the outer ones, circumference-wise. If the groove speed were held constant instead of the turntable speed (in much the same way that a reel of film plays out at a steady 24 frames a second), it would be possible to record over 90 minutes of material on a single side. You'd have greater fidelity and a lessened potential for damage to the record. A few phonographs designed on this principal were marketed in the early 1900s. But technology is one thing and show biz is another. For obvious commercial reasons--just imagine how much more crap Barry White would need to pad out an album--this line of development was never pursued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sofa2007 Posted 22 mei 2009 Report Share Posted 22 mei 2009 45 + 33 = 78, is dat toeval of logisch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remcojan Posted 23 mei 2009 Author Report Share Posted 23 mei 2009 78 RPM lijkt dus op een logische technische keuze om low cost platenspelers te kunnen maken. Als ik het verhaal zo lees, lijkt het alsof 33 is gekozen als laagste snelheid waarbij een goede kwaliteit haalbaar is, en waarbij de opnameduur zo groot mogelijk is. Men had ook 30 of 35 kunnen kiezen waarschijnlijk. En hetzelfde voor 45 rpm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_k Posted 25 mei 2009 Report Share Posted 25 mei 2009 Volgens mij valt de kwaliteit nog best mee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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